Difference between revisions of "Talk:PubMan Func Spec Export/APA"

Latest revision as of 14:36, 3 February 2011

APA revision[edit]

All issues on this page are to be included in the APA revision. As soon as they are implemented, they will be moved to the main page. --despoina 13:19, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

UPDATE --Issues that are already implemented have been moved to the main page and deleted from this page. --despoina 13:20, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Revision on Creators[edit]

if there are 3-20 authors: commas separate author names, while the last author name is preceded again by ampersand. E.g.: Kernis, M. H., Cornell, D. P., Sun, C. R., Berry, A., & Harlow, T.
give the last name and initials for all authors of a particular work unless the work has more than 20 authors. If the work has more than 20 authors, list the first 20 authors and then use et al. E.g.: Harris, M., Karper, E., Stacks, G., Hoffman, D., DeNiro, R., Cruz, P., Author, A., Author, B., [......], Author20, A., et al.

--despoina 13:18, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

--Makarenko 15:57, 25 February 2010 (UTC): Done.

--despoina 11:23, 14 January 2011 (UTC): Moved to main page.

--despoina 08:14, 30 June 2010 (UTC) IMPORTANT UPDATE (after phone call with Mrs. Kastens): There is still the question open, whether the same rule should apply to Editors as well. There are some pro and contra arguments: Pro --> the rule would be more consistent if it included editors as well. Contra --> Since Editors often appear in the middle of the citation, putting more than six of them into the middle of a citation would make it appear as "fragmented" (citation data - very long string of names - more citation data). Extra note --> the number of editors only rarely rises above 6, we should perhaps also take this detail into account. The question doesnt have to be answered now, but it needs to be discussed in the next round of editing APA.

--despoina 11:25, 14 January 2011 (UTC): How was this issue handled? Does the rule apply to editors as well?

Proposals[edit]

Please note: These proposals are not to be implemented for 6.1. They are to be discussed with the users and, according to the outcome of this discussion, then planned for one of the next releases. --despoina 08:54, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Books with Source.Genre=Series[edit]

Old rule: Author, A. A. (Year of publication). Title: Alternative Title (Edition). Place of Publication: Name of Publisher.

O'Connor, L. (2007). Motion, transfer, and transformation: The grammar of change in Lowland Chontal. Amsterdam: Benjamins.

New proposal: Author, A. A. (Year of publication). Title: Alternative Title (Edition). Place of Publication: Name of Publisher. (Title of Source, SourceVolume).

Hannay, M. & Bolkestein, M.A. (Eds.). (1998). Functional grammar and verbal interaction. Amsterdam: Benjamins. (Studies in language companion series, Vol. 44).

--despoina 15:04, 3 March 2010 (UTC): Please note that this is just a proposal. Since the APA manual does not contain a relevant example, we have to wait for user feedback, before this rule is implemented.

- - feedback from our scientists in Nijmegen: 'we don't care'. (explanation: The mentioning of the series was used to be an additional quality stamp in linguistics, but since publication ways are changing, its no longer of importance). People here ususally don't cite the series title. With respect to your proposal. It's ok. If people don't want the series title in their reference they won 't list it in PubMan.--Karin 15:20, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

--despoina 11:28, 5 March 2010 (UTC): Please clear with Ulla whether this rule should be implemented or not

Book Chapter (where Source=Book and Source=Series)[edit]

When a Book Chapter has two sources (where one is a book and the other a series), then the citation should look like that:

New (specific) Rule:

Author, A. A., & Author, B. (Year of publication). Title. In A. EditorofSeries, & B. EditorofSeries (Eds.), Title of Series: Volume of Series. Title of Book (pp. xxx-xxx). Place of Publication: Name of Publisher.

Friederici, A. D., & Oberecker, R. (2008). The development of syntactic brain correlates. In A. D. Friederici, & G. Thierry (Eds.), Trends in Language Acquisition Research (TiLAR): Vol. 5. Early language development: Bridging brain and behaviour (pp. 215-231). Amsterdam: John Benjamins.

--despoina 10:52, 3 March 2010 (UTC): In any other combination of sources, just take general citation for book chapter.

I'd like to veto this at least until end of next week or next apa revision. I've looked in our old annual reports and found a citation which fits the criteria http://pubman.mpdl.mpg.de/pubman/item/escidoc:59541, its also on edoc. The way it is now exported on Pubman is fine, we could add the series at the end.

PubMan now:

Levinson, S. C., & Wilkins, D. P. (2006). The background to the study of the language of space. In S. C. Levinson, & D. P. Wilkins (Eds.), Grammars of space: Explorations in cognitive diversity (pp. 1-23). Cambridge: Cambridge University Press.

proposal:

Levinson, S. C., & Wilkins, D. P. (2006). The background to the study of the language of space. In S. C. Levinson, & D. P. Wilkins (Eds.), Grammars of space: Explorations in cognitive diversity (pp. 1-23). Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. (Language, culture and cognition ; vol. 6). 
Background. This way it gets better cited, better indexed, if one mentions the series people can't find it.--Karin 16:19, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

--despoina 16:23, 4 March 2010 (UTC): Please do not implement, until issue has been discussed and decided upon.

I'd like to confirm my wish of citing chapters in volumes of series compliantly to APA because I think it's really a matter of standard - I see no use in creating an APA export when it gets messy again. I appreciate the APA divergent rule of how many authors are cited very much because this is really important with regard to content (otherwise a lot of publications in our reports would not be traceable to its contributors). In my perspective, it is different in this case, because the APA way of citing volumes in series is consistent and logical in its way - it's maybe just a bit unfamiliar to us. Adding series in brackets is no APA at all and might confuse people, who read it but also people at the institutes who create publication lists and reports and who are told to take the APA manual for reference - that's the point of a standard. Especially with regard to research reports people in my institute care a lot for the correctness of it all. Marion Schmidt

--schmidt 17:41, 14 April 2010

- In our view it is imperative the we do NOT change to 'correct' APA rule in this particular matter. I've asked scientists and they have never seen it that way PLUS it is very confusing. As librarians we often get interlibrary loan requests where the title of the series is confused with the title of the book because of this way of citing. Then references are hard to fine.

Since we only have ONE APA citation style which a) can 't display everything APA manual foresees because we do not have the metadata entry possibilities (like eg Advance online publications are different from online publications - and we can't even specify that s.th. is an online publication at all), b) differs already in some points (number of authors, dates with posters or talks) we already need to spool the references through Endnote or another tool, which we CAN adjust to specific needs, if 100% APA citation is necessary, like e.g. for a Fachbeirat. The APA we get from PubMan is 85% ok, but serves the need for webpages and other listings. --Karin 09:23, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Date of Event format[edit]

Date of Event is currently exported in the default PubMan format (YYYY-MM-DD). There has been an improvement proposal, that dates of events are exported as follows:

Month Day, Year example: April 4, 2010

if StartDateOfEvent ≠ EndDateOfEvent, then the format should be as follows:

Month, Day (of Start Date of Event) - Day (of End Date of Event), Year example: April 4-6, 2010

--despoina 13:17, 20 January 2011 (UTC) after e-mail communication with Mrs. Kastens (PUBMAN-SUPPORT:2861)

--despoina 14:56, 21 January 2011 (UTC) The following cases need further specification before the new format can be implemented:

StartDateOfEvent ≠ EndDateOfEvent, and StartDateOfEvent.Month ≠ and EndDateOfEvent.Month, e.g. April 30 - March 2, 2010. What should the citation look like, if the event takes place in two different months?

StartDateOfEvent ≠ EndDateOfEvent, and StartDateOfEvent.Year ≠ and EndDateOfEvent.Year, e.g. December 30, 2010 - January 2, 2011. What should the citation look like, if the event takes place in two different years? (this is, of course, a very rare, almost impossible scenario, that an event stretches from before till after new year, but it would be best to have the possibility covered)

The specified examples for event taking places in different months and/or different years are fine. --Karin 14:36, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Mapping proposal for new genres[edit]

--despoina 14:44, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Genre	Mapping proposal	Comments
Zeitungsartikel - Newspaper article	journal article
Editorial - Editorial	journal article if source=journal/ special issue book chapter if source=book/other
Beitrag in Handbuch - Contribution to a handbook	book chapter
Beitrag in Lexikon - Contribution to an Encyclopedia	book chapter
Beitrag in Festschrift - Contribution to a Festschrift	book chapter
Beitrag in Kommentar - Contribution to a Commentary	book chapter
Beitrag in Sammelwerk - Contribution to a Collected Edition	book chapter
Rezension - Book Review	journal article
Stellungnahme - Opinion	working paper
Fallbesprechung - Case study	journal article
Entscheidungsanmerkung - Case note	journal article
Monographie - Monograph	book
Zeitung - Newspaper	journal
Lexikon - Encyclopedia	book
Kommentar - Commentary	book
Handbuch - Handbook	book
Sammelwerk - Collected Edition	book
Festschrift - Festschrift	book
Arbeitspapier - Working paper	working paper	please note JIRA ticket to this issue
Leitfaden - Manual	book	feedback needed on genre details
Webseite - Web page	other
Mehrbändiges Werk - Multi-volume	series

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 == APA revision ==
 All issues on this page are to be included in the APA revision. As soon as they are implemented, they will be moved to the main page. --[[User:Despoina|despoina]] 13:19, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
+: '''UPDATE''' --Issues that are already implemented have been moved to the main page and deleted from this page. --[[User:Despoina|despoina]] 13:20, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 ===Revision on Creators===
-The following rules are to be implemented in a new way:
-'''Old version''':
-* if there are 3-6 authors: commas separate author names, while the last author name is preceded again by ampersand. E.g.: Kernis, M. H., Cornell, D. P., Sun, C. R., Berry, A., & Harlow, T.
-* give the last name and initials for all authors of a particular work unless the work has more than six authors. If the work has more than six authors, list the first six authors and then use et al. E.g.: Harris, M., Karper, E., Stacks, G., Hoffman, D., DeNiro, R., Cruz, P., et al.
-'''New version''':
 * if there are '''3-20''' authors: commas separate author names, while the last author name is preceded again by ampersand. E.g.: Kernis, M. H., Cornell, D. P., Sun, C. R., Berry, A., & Harlow, T.
 * give the last name and initials for all authors of a particular work unless the work has more than 20 authors. If the work has '''more than 20''' authors, list the first 20 authors and then use et al. E.g.: Harris, M., Karper, E., Stacks, G., Hoffman, D., DeNiro, R., Cruz, P., Author, A., Author, B., [......], Author20, A., et al.
 --[[User:Despoina|despoina]] 13:18, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
 :--[[User:Makarenko|Makarenko]] 15:57, 25 February 2010 (UTC): Done.
+::--[[User:Despoina|despoina]] 11:23, 14 January 2011 (UTC): Moved to main page.
-===Journal Articles===
+--[[User:Despoina|despoina]] 08:14, 30 June 2010 (UTC) IMPORTANT '''UPDATE''' (after phone call with Mrs. Kastens): There is still the question open, whether the same rule should apply to Editors as well. There are some pro and contra arguments: Pro --> the rule would be more consistent if it included editors as well. Contra --> Since Editors often appear in the middle of the citation, putting more than six of them into the middle of a citation would make it appear as "fragmented" (citation data - very long string of names - more citation data). Extra note --> the number of editors only rarely rises above 6, we should perhaps also take this detail into account. The question doesnt have to be answered now, but it needs to be discussed in the next round of editing APA.
+:--[[User:Despoina|despoina]] 11:25, 14 January 2011 (UTC): '''How was this issue handled? Does the rule apply to editors as well?'''
-'''old version:'''
-Author, A. A., Author, B. B., & Author, C. C. (Year). Title of article. Title of Periodical, volume(issue number), pages.
-'''New version'''
-Author, A. A., Author, B. B., & Author, C. C. (year). Title of article. Title of Periodical,
-xx, pp-pp. doi:xx.xxxxxxxxxx
-please always include the DOI at the end if available. If doi is not available, please use identifier of type URL, preceded by the words "Retrieved from". If doi or URL are available more than once, please only take the first value.
-example:
-Sauter, D., Eisner, F., Ekman, P., & Scott, S. K. (2010). Cross-cultural recognition of basic emotions
-through nonverbal emotional vocalizations. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences,
-(6), 2408-2412. doi:10.1073/pnas.0908239106--[[User:Karin|Karin]] 15:06, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
-:--[[User:Makarenko|Makarenko]] 16:35, 25 February 2010 (UTC): Done.
-===Series===
-'''Old version:'''
-Editor, A. (Ed.). Title (Vols. start volume-end volume). Place of Publication: Name of Publisher.
-e.g.: Wiener, P. (Ed.). Dictionary of the history of ideas (Vols. 1-4). New York: Scribner's.
-'''New Version:'''
-Editor, A. (Ed.). Title. Place of Publication: Name of Publisher.
-e.g.: Wiener, P. (Ed.). Dictionary of the history of ideas. New York: Scribner's.
-* Since there is no source in the submission mask for series, no volume information can be included in citation style. --[[User:Despoina|despoina]] 15:21, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
-** I do not think we have to worry about volumes with series. The above example is not a serie but a multi-volume work and should be entered as book.
-APA has this as an example:Koch, S. (Ed.). (1959-1963). Psychology: A study of science (Vols. 1-6). New York,
-NY: McGraw-Hill. We enter the volume info into the title and if as in this case the publishing years of the volume are different we enter each volume separately in PubMan, if all volumes are published in the same year, we have one PubMan item. --[[User:Karin|Karin]] 10:45, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
-***This was exactly the outcome of our internal conversation yesterday. If the whole series is entered as a complete artefact, then volume information is unnecessary (if needed imperatively, it can be added as part of the title). If not, then it should be entered as separate books (where volume information is available for the source - problem solved). --[[User:Despoina|despoina]] 10:57, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
-:--[[User:Makarenko|Makarenko]] 16:42, 25 February 2010 (UTC): Done.
-===Talk===
-'''Old version: '''
-Author, A. A., & Author, B. (Year of Event, please take the year of the start date of event; if date of event is not filled, please use the overall rules for dates). Publication.Title. Event.Title. Event.Place. Start Date of Event - End Date of Event.
-e.g.:
-Van Berkum, J. J. A.  (2009). Incrementality and beyond: What ERPs tell us about utterance comprehension. Workshop on Incrementality in Verbal Interaction, Bielefeld University. Bielefeld, Germany, 2009-06-08 - 2009-06-10.
-'''New version''':
-Author, A. A., & Author, B. (Year of Event, please take the year of the start date of event; if date of event is not filled, please use the overall rules for dates). ''Publication.Title.'' <span style="color:#008080">Talk presented at</span> Event.Title. Event.Place. Start Date of Event - End Date of Event.
-Van Berkum, J. J. A.  (2009). Incrementality and beyond: What ERPs tell us about utterance comprehension. Talk presented at Workshop on Incrementality in Verbal Interaction, Bielefeld University. Bielefeld, Germany, 2009-06-08 - 2009-06-10.
-'Talk presented at the' precedes the Event.Title.--[[User:Karin|Karin]] 12:26, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
-:--[[User:Makarenko|Makarenko]] 16:44, 25 February 2010 (UTC): Please, comment. Should be implemented?
-::--[[User:Despoina|despoina]] 09:18, 26 February 2010 (UTC): There is one more question to this issue: How should the system react if the title of event already contains an article? (e.g. "The Annual Symposium of Example Society" - with the proposed implementation, the article would appear twice in the citation... is there any way to solve this?)
-:::--[[User:Despoina|despoina]] 10:03, 26 February 2010 (UTC): Rule updated after discussion with Mrs. Kastens: To avoid the abovementioned problem, the article should be left out --> "Talk presented at" should precede the title of event.
-::::--[[User:Despoina|despoina]] 11:26, 5 March 2010 (UTC): Please implement
-:::::--[[User:Makarenko|Makarenko]] 15:22, 16 March 2010 (UTC): Some discrepancy with the previous definition: the Event.Title should be in italic (''Event.Title''). Q: should the "Talk presented at" be italic as well?
-:::::: I think we didn 't specifiy entirely right in the old rules either. The ''publication.title'' should be in italics, the Event.Title should be normal just as the static part. For an example see p. 260 of APA Manual no.52.--[[User:Karin|Karin]] 10:52, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
-:::::::--[[User:Makarenko|Makarenko]] 11:55, 18 March 2010 (UTC): Done.
-===Books with creators of type author and editor===
-'''Old version:'''
-Author, A. A. (Year of publication). ''Title: Alternative Title'' (A.A. Editor, Ed.)(2nd. Ed.). Place of Publication: Name of Publisher.
-e.g.: Plath, S. (2000). ''The unabridged journals'' (K.V. Kukil, Ed.)(2nd.Ed.). New York: Anchor.
-'''New version:'''
-Author, A. A. (Year of publication). ''Title: Alternative Title'' (A.A. Editor, Ed.). (2nd. Ed.). Place of Publication: Name of Publisher.
-e.g.: Plath, S. (2000). ''The unabridged journals'' (K.V. Kukil, Ed.). (2nd.Ed.). New York: Anchor.
-* There should be a full stop and then a space between the brackets.--[[User:Despoina|despoina]] 09:07, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
-:--[[User:Despoina|despoina]] 11:26, 5 March 2010 (UTC) : Please implement
-::--[[User:Makarenko|Makarenko]] 10:13, 17 March 2010 (UTC): Implemented.
-===Poster===
---[[User:Despoina|despoina]] 08:25, 25 March 2010 (UTC) : Just a minor update, in order to keep the implementation consistent:
-'''Old rule:'''
-Author (year of event). ''Title''. Poster presented at the Title of Event, Place of Event.
-Van Alphen, P.M., & Van Berkum, J.J.A. (2006). ''About embarking dogs and gracious mice: An ERP study on the integration of embedded words''. Poster presented at the Annual CUNY conference on human sentence processing, San Diego, CA.
-'''New rule:'''
-Author (year of event). ''Title''. Poster presented at Title of Event, Place of Event.
-Van Alphen, P.M., & Van Berkum, J.J.A. (2006). ''About embarking dogs and gracious mice: An ERP study on the integration of embedded words''. Poster presented at Annual CUNY conference on human sentence processing, San Diego, CA.
---[[User:Despoina|despoina]] 08:25, 25 March 2010 (UTC) : The static part of the citation should read: Talk presented at (without "the")
-:--[[User:Makarenko|Makarenko]] 14:41, 25 March 2010 (UTC): Done.
 ==Proposals==
@@ Line 147: / Line 53: @@
 :--[[User:Despoina|despoina]] 16:23, 4 March 2010 (UTC): Please do not implement, until issue has been discussed and decided upon.
+*I'd like to confirm my wish of citing chapters in volumes of series compliantly to APA because I think it's really a matter of standard - I see no use in creating an APA export when it gets messy again. I appreciate the APA divergent rule of how many authors are cited very much because this is really important with regard to content (otherwise a lot of publications in our reports would not be traceable to its contributors). In my perspective, it is different in this case, because the APA way of citing volumes in series is consistent and logical in its way - it's maybe just a bit unfamiliar to us. Adding series in brackets is no APA at all and might confuse people, who read it but also people at the institutes who create publication lists and reports and who are told to take the APA manual for reference - that's the point of a standard. Especially with regard to research reports people in my institute care a lot for the correctness of it all. Marion Schmidt
+:--[[User:Schmidt|schmidt]] 17:41, 14 April 2010
+** In our view it is imperative the we do NOT change to 'correct' APA rule in this particular matter. I've asked scientists and they have never seen it that way PLUS it is very confusing. As librarians we often get interlibrary loan requests where the title of the series is confused with the title of the book because of this way of citing. Then  references are hard to fine.
+Since we only have ONE APA citation style which a) can 't display everything APA manual foresees because we do not have the metadata entry possibilities (like eg Advance online publications are different from online publications - and we can't even specify that s.th. is an online publication at all), b) differs already in some points (number of authors, dates with posters or talks) we already need to spool the references through Endnote or another tool, which we CAN adjust to specific needs, if 100% APA citation is necessary, like e.g. for a Fachbeirat. The APA we get from PubMan is 85% ok, but serves the need for webpages and other listings. --[[User:Karin|Karin]] 09:23, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
+===Date of Event format===
+Date of Event is currently exported in the default PubMan format (YYYY-MM-DD).
+There has been an improvement proposal, that dates of events are exported as follows:
+Month Day, Year
+example: April 4, 2010
+if StartDateOfEvent ≠ EndDateOfEvent, then the format should be as follows:
+Month, Day (of Start Date of Event) - Day (of End Date of Event), Year
+example: April 4-6, 2010
+:--[[User:Despoina|despoina]] 13:17, 20 January 2011 (UTC) after e-mail communication with Mrs. Kastens (PUBMAN-SUPPORT:2861)
+:: --[[User:Despoina|despoina]] 14:56, 21 January 2011 (UTC) The following cases need further specification before the new format can be implemented:
+:::* StartDateOfEvent ≠ EndDateOfEvent, and StartDateOfEvent.Month ≠ and EndDateOfEvent.Month, e.g. '''April''' 30 - '''March''' 2, 2010. What should the citation look like, if the event takes place in two different months?
+:::* StartDateOfEvent ≠ EndDateOfEvent, and StartDateOfEvent.Year ≠ and EndDateOfEvent.Year, e.g. '''December''' 30, '''2010''' - '''January''' 2, '''2011'''. What should the citation look like, if the event takes place in two different years? (this is, of course, a very rare, almost impossible scenario, that an event stretches from before till after new year, but it would be best to have the possibility covered)
+The specified examples for event taking places in different months and/or different years are fine. --[[User:Karin|Karin]] 14:36, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
 ==Mapping proposal for new genres ==
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 |-
 |  Lexikon - Encyclopedia
+| book
 |
-* book
-*series
-| can take both the form of a single volume work or a multivolume work
 |-
 |  Kommentar - Commentary
-|
+|book
-* book
+|
-*series
-| can take both the form of a single volume work or a multivolume work
 |-
 |  Handbuch - Handbook
@@ Line 240: / Line 166: @@
 |-
 |  Leitfaden - Manual
-| book ?
+| book
 | feedback needed on genre details
 |-